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Track-prepped Toyota FT-86 Set to Take on Genesis Coupe R-Spec?
Nelson Ireson; December 22nd, 2009



The Toyota FT-86 concept represents for many Toyota fans a return to what made the brand great: simple, low-cost, fun-to-drive and stylish cars like the Celica, MR2 and AE86 Corolla. Somewhere along the way the fun-to-drive part, at least, was lost. But the latest reports hint that Toyota may be going all-out for their return to sports cars.

A stripped down, stiffened and big-braked version of the FT-86 could be on the table, to start as low as $22,000, according to a report extracted from EVO magazine. That would put the FT-86 track version right on par with the Hyundai Genesis Coupe R-Spec, itself a somewhat de-contented and performance-oriented inexpensive rear-driver.

The stripper FT-86 will also be promoted by participation in pro drifting competition, according to the report. That, again, is like Hyundai's promotion for the Genesis Coupe, and perhaps indicates that Toyota is aiming to go fully heads-up against the Korean competition.

So far what we know about the FT-86 is that officially it will be a 2 + 2 coupe with rear-wheel drive, a 2.0-liter naturally aspirated flat four cylinder built in cooperation with Fuji Heavy Industries/Subaru, and a six-speed manual transmission. Power output is expected to come in somewhere around the 200 horsepower mark, though without a factory turbocharger like the Hyundai Genesis Coupe R-Spec, the FT-86 may miss out on some aftermarket modification potential.

Sales of the FT-86's production counterpart are expected to start in late 2011 in Japan, followed within a few months in America. Pricing is expected to sit around $25,000 for a typical example.



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yeah, this car is even smaller than the 370z, and yet it still tries to be a 2+2. i can't imagine it being too comfortable.

however, i expect most performance-oriented tuners will choose the toyobaru because it's going to be super-light.
 

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Unless it looks like crap. :D
 

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yeah, this car is even smaller than the 370z, and yet it still tries to be a 2+2. i can't imagine it being too comfortable.

however, i expect most performance-oriented tuners will choose the toyobaru because it's going to be super-light.
+1.....one of the requirements of my sports car is it has to have ample room for me to be comfortable with my 6'2" height. The Miata, S2000, Z3, 350Z, etc are all to small & if this Toyobaru is even smaller, then definately a no go. I haven't had the chance to drive a 370Z or Z4 yet, so can't comment on them, but expect that they are too small as well.



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Nice design but yeah the size is lacking. A foot shorter than the tC (which as rear seat passengers bangin their heads on glass) and lower/slimmer than the 350. Starting to get a lot of hype. Subarau seems to be keeping their verson under wraps a bit more.
 

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I'm sure this will be a growing clash between drivers now on who has the better car. I for one, am sticking with the underdogs. I like the Suby concept, but then again, I've liked almost all of Subaru's vehicle line ups, but I never really had intentions of getting one because of similar experiences with most Evo drivers. (As In they are all pricks, calling everyone else a ricer, including someone who drives an evo, and bashing on other people's car with no regard.)

I'm all up for friendly competition though, but I'm predicting few friendly faces driving those vehicles and more "Lolz You drive a Hyundai, my engine makes 200 hp NA, blah blah blah."

I have to agree with Wily on this one, we'll probably see more of these than the GC on the road. We'll just have to make a mark with our GC's ;)
 

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We make a mark everyday when drive our cars, there is always gonna be competition no matter if the opposing car has 100 Hp or 500hp. This is why i love cars and everything about them. The new FT-86 looks ok, i would just change the nose( its too pointy) and since i am a small guy( 5'4") it would fit me just fine. At 200 hp NA doesnt sounds bad at all. But dont get me wrong i am sticking to the genesis coupe for a long long long time.
 

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Great looking car but they missed the mark by partnering with Subaru and not making it awd and they should have used a tc motor IMO.
 

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It needs a bit more power to backup the looks. Squeezing power out of a NA engine isn't as easy a turbo setup so I have a feeling it'll stay slow until it's boosted.

Hopefully the Subaru version has at least 250ish hp turbo setup...
 

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Weight is going to be a big factor in that as well though, if they get it down around 2500lbs it'll be quicker than most GC's on the road even if it's not as easy to mod.
 

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A honda crx wieghed more then that so highly doubtfull. Rwd have heavier components so if it wieghs 3000 flat that's light
 

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A honda crx wieghed more then that so highly doubtfull. Rwd have heavier components so if it wieghs 3000 flat that's light
The Miata has a curb weight around 2500-2600 and that's a convertible, so I don't think it's too outside the realm of possibility for the FT-86 to weigh marginally more than that with two extra seats. If that is the case though, those rear seats are going to be nigh-unusable. A 2+2 in name, not function.

I just like how Toyota actually seems to be taking Hyundai seriously (as everyone very well should now).
 

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It needs a bit more power to backup the looks. Squeezing power out of a NA engine isn't as easy a turbo setup so I have a feeling it'll stay slow until it's boosted.

Hopefully the Subaru version has at least 250ish hp turbo setup...
+1....they should of ran boost like Subaru is talking of doing, it would of opened alot more doors for tuning, albeit a little more expensive purchase price.

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Weight is going to be a big factor in that as well though, if they get it down around 2500lbs it'll be quicker than most GC's on the road even if it's not as easy to mod.
It will be light & is a Toyota, so will probably sell more than Hyundai once it hits the market. But not that many more, because Hyundai has seemed to gather a following somewhat.

A honda crx wieghed more then that so highly doubtfull. Rwd have heavier components so if it wieghs 3000 flat that's light
I haven't checked the weight on a CRX, but cars from the 90s are not a good reference for cars built today regarding weight comparisons considering the use of lighter materials & additional airbags.

The Miata has a curb weight around 2500-2600 and that's a convertible, so I don't think it's too outside the realm of possibility for the FT-86 to weigh marginally more than that with two extra seats. If that is the case though, those rear seats are going to be nigh-unusable. A 2+2 in name, not function.

I just like how Toyota actually seems to be taking Hyundai seriously (as everyone very well should now).
I agree with both points, the weight will be closer to the Miata than the GenCoupe.

Toyota is smart considering Hyundai a true rival & Honda is catching on. Any manufacturer that doesn't consider Hyundai a threat now is in for a rude awakening.



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Toyota is smart considering Hyundai a true rival & Honda is catching on. Any manufacturer that doesn't consider Hyundai a threat now is in for a rude awakening.
FTW. I guess Toyota realized when the manufacturer of the robots they build cars with, the ships they ship cars with, and the containers they put cars in, steps up its game they have to pay attention.
 
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