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the gencoupe didn't beat out the other cars. the v6 mustang beat them all in performance, quality, and price. MT used opinion to give the second place car (with a 5K starting price gap) the mustang's spot.

whats with them comparing sports car vs 3 muscle cars and the top model vs the base models?

lame.

The price of the Mustang as tested is $32,545 which is exactly $2K more than I paid for my 3.8 Track ZF. If you want the base V6 mustang you have to give up everything that made the Mustang "beat" the Genesis(GT suspension, brakes and wheels, premium sound, seats, ipod connect, etc...). So to say that there is a 5K price difference is wrong. Using that logic you could say the Genesis starts at 22K. The only opinion that MT used was the fact that the Genesis drove like a sports car while the others didn't. They drove like what they are...muscle cars. .

But you do have that whole lame warranty thing going for the Ford tho.

:read:

Want a richer ambiance and equipment on par with that in our Genesis tester? You'll need to throw down $3700 for the Premium Package (leather, Bluetooth, satellite radio), $2340 for the Electronics Package (navigation and auto climate control), $595 for heated seats, and $525 for Xenon headlamps. Total? $32,545, or $1075 more than the Hyundai's sticker

Read more: 2011 Ford Mustang V-6 test - Motor Trend

 

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Mako, while I agree with most of what you said, I could give a rat's ass about going fast in a straight line. Another thing I will never own is a stripped down V6 mustang that every prom queen is gonna be driving. My main problem with the mustang is the fact that they are everywhere. I don't care if it's an 1994-2011, you see them every ten feet and the base models twice as often. I was wrong that the 22k version wouldn't outrun the 3.8 gen but come the first curve and that 22k mustang is in the ditch. Tufast was able to stay right on a 2010 Mustang GT in his 2.0 rspec on the track at Road Atlanta. Straight line, the Mustang would pull away, then Tufast would catch right back up at the curves. So no matter how you try to pump up the new mustang, I ain't buyin it since the V6 gets most of it's performance from the 2010 GT.

All that being said, I will admit that the Mustang has taken a huge step in the right direction but if I want a Mustang that looks like a 1970's Boss Mustang that will go real fast in a straight line...then I'll buy a 1970's Boss Mustang.

This is post I made a few days ago that covers most of how I feel about the comparison of the Genesis to the pony cars...

You have to look at it for what it is. When the 3.8 GenCoupe hit the streets, it's only real competitors were the G35/37 and the BMW 3 series. Both of these cars were WAAAAY out of Hyundai's price range. The Mustang and Challenger didn't even come close a year ago and the Camaro was enjoying it's 8th year or so as a concept. So that made the Genesis the best choice at the time. Hyundai raised the bar then and now Ford has in turn raised it again. It's the name of the game. Ford knew what the competition had to offer and they knew if they wanted to sale some Mustangs they were gonna have to top the Coupe and they have...sorta. The same thing Hyundai knew when they released the Coupe. Now the ball is back in Hyundai's court.

I still believe that the 3.8 Coupe is the best buy in the price range. The car is the most original out of the four. It has the best warranty and it still performs as good or better than it's competitors. I can appreciate where Ford is headed with the Mustang but when I'm sitting at a stop light I don't want to be there next to 3 other folks who have the same car as me. Such was the case when I had my Mustang, they are everywhere. There are 5 members on this forum living in my town and I still see far less GenCoupes than new Mustangs or even Camaros.

And last but not least...the warranty. 5/60 on a car that has a track record of having major problems before 100K. Everyone says the quality is better but until I see a Mustang with 100k on that don't have knobs and window regulators falling out will I be a believer. Just sayin'.

 

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1.The base model Mustang is srtipped down. Cloth seats, lame wheels, no tech to speak of, etc... Even MT acknowledges this.
2-3.You are the one that said the 22k Mustang would compare to the 3.8 Track, not me. I was just rebutting your statement that the Mustang would out perform the Genesis and save you 6k.
4. You are correct here and I gave Ford credit for this and previously quoted myself...

Ford knew what the competition had to offer and they knew if they wanted to sale some Mustangs they were gonna have to top the Coupe and they have...sorta. The same thing Hyundai knew when they released the Coupe. Now the ball is back in Hyundai's court.

Hyundai has to respond or be left behind. I am impressed with the skidpad #'s. Hell, I'm impressed with the entire car from a performance standpoint. I was only trying to say that if you want a Mustang that looks, feels and performs like the 3.8 Track that MT tested then you would have to spend the same kind of money. I wanted a sunroof, ipod connect etc. and still do.

so your speculation is hinged on the abilities of 2 completely different cars that are hinged on 2 people that may or may not drive better or worse on any given sunday.

come on man lol

Not as much speculation as you believe. One may drive better than the other but both are in HPDE training. Also comparing a 4 banger to a V8 so I think we can give a little here

I also said that I recognize Ford has supposedly worked on their quality but this is speculation since nobody has put 100K on a 2011 Mustang. So to say that their quality is improved is speculation.

I think Ford was on the right track when they released the first SVO Mustang back in 1986. They did a great job then backstepped into the GT line for the longest time. That car was ahead of it's time then Ford decided it would be better to create sub-standard performance cars. Don't get me wrong, I don't think the new Mustang is a bad car, it's just not for me. But judging by the number of them on the road, I am in the minority which suits me just fine.

I was also very concerned about re-sale and the Mustang's re-sale will be low by default. High consumer sales and loads fleet sales (rentals) will flood the market in coming years. Idk what the future holds for the GenCoupe in re-sale #'s but my lease gave the Gen a great resale. Time will tell if it actually holds up to that particular speculation. :dunno: But that was one of the risks I was willing to take on the Hyundai.

All of this is academic anyway. People are going to judge for themselves and most likely base their decision on points we haven't even discussed. I think what it comes down to is if you enjoy your Mustang as much as I enjoy my Coupe, then you made the right decision.

 

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I've always been a fan of the Mustang for as long as I can remember until owning one ('01 & hated it). I will most likely never own another.

maybe you two should go to PMs to play with each other.

But in the interests of the other forum members, I digress.